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Skyneedle
Posts: 2
Registered: ‎12-03-2009
Device: Vonage router
Plan: 20/5
Location: Reston, VA
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Extreme jitter just a single hop away

I have a problem with jitter between my router in my house and the first gateway router to the Internet.  I see the problem on VoIP calls using both Vonage and my corporate computer based VoIP solution, and video on demand on my non-DVR setup box.  The VoIP blanks out and the video on demand stops for half a second every ~5 seconds.  

 

I have a direct ethernet connection to my ONT and use the motorola NIM to bridge the coax network with the ethernet network.  I used a Apple Time Capsule as my router to do DHCP and NAT service.  Contrary to what many Verizon techs will tell you video on demand works just fine on a direct ethernet connection to the ONT with the motorola NIM bridge with using the 10.0.10.x subnet for DHCP.  I have been such a happy FIOS user, I originally blamed Vonage as the cause of the problem.  Vonage asked me to make the Vonage router my edge router to Verizon FIOS and have it do DHCP and NAT.  I did, and after a few hours the problem came back.  Got a new router from Vonage, problem still exists.  Multiple firmware versions on the router, problem still exsits.  Put back the Apple Time Machine as the edge router doing DHCP and NAT, problem still exists.  After noticing the jitter on the video on demand and doing the following ping tests, I changed my opinion and now believe it is a network problem with the Verizon FIOS internet access and not a VoIP or router issue.  

 

After calling Verizon, they dispatched a tech to my house and replaced my ONT but it has not solved the problem.  The weird thing is when I unplug the router in my house the problem is solved for a few hours and then it comes back again.  And of course anyone tries to troubleshoot the problem, they immediately ask me to unplug the router making the problem go away and then reappear after the customer support people declare the problem solved.  

 

Here is the traceroute to a random host on the Internet: 

 

$ traceroute www.verizon.com

traceroute: Warning: www.verizon.com has multiple addresses; using 65.199.63.137

traceroute to a1280.g.akamai.net (65.199.63.137), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets

 1  l100.washdc-vfttp-97.verizon-gni.net (96.241.212.1)  7.768 ms  7.861 ms  7.034 ms

 2  g4-2-597.washdc-lcr-05.verizon-gni.net (130.81.129.158)  6.106 ms  7.285 ms  7.447 ms

 3  so-4-2-0-0.lcc1-res-bb-rtr1-re1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.28.144)  4.763 ms  9.885 ms  7.332 ms

 4  0.so-3-2-0.xt1.dca6.alter.net (152.63.39.169)  12.596 ms

    0.so-5-1-0.xt1.dca5.alter.net (152.63.36.205)  9.788 ms

Note that 96.241.212.1 is my gateway router, just 1 hop from my home router.  Now I'll do a series of pings to that IP address.  
$ ping -s 600 96.241.212.1
PING 96.241.212.1 (96.241.212.1): 600 data bytes
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=127 time=765.534 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=127 time=8.720 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=127 time=10.822 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=127 time=10.116 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=127 time=9.582 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=127 time=11.247 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=127 time=10.919 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=7 ttl=127 time=10.342 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=8 ttl=127 time=11.770 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=9 ttl=127 time=9.441 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=10 ttl=127 time=11.207 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=11 ttl=127 time=443.337 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=12 ttl=127 time=10.303 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=13 ttl=127 time=9.999 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=14 ttl=127 time=11.569 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=15 ttl=127 time=740.994 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=16 ttl=127 time=8.172 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=17 ttl=127 time=10.360 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=18 ttl=127 time=10.003 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=19 ttl=127 time=9.844 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=20 ttl=127 time=11.456 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=21 ttl=127 time=11.114 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=22 ttl=127 time=10.588 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=23 ttl=127 time=10.142 ms
608 bytes from 96.241.212.1: icmp_seq=24 ttl=127 time=9.514 ms
^C
--- 96.241.212.1 ping statistics ---
25 packets transmitted, 25 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 8.172/87.084/765.534/213.957 ms
Note the regular jitter up to 750 ms.  Now I'll run the test over a longer period of time to show the summary:
--- 96.241.212.1 ping statistics ---
234 packets transmitted, 234 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 7.607/112.393/1010.438/265.574 ms
Note that the jitter varies goes beyond a second in longer duration tests.  
My field technician has not been able to get the right level of assistance on this.  I'm posting this in an effort to get assistance from Verizon on the problem.  It has been an outstanding problem for over two months.  I cannot continue unplugging my router every three hours when working from home.  
Thanks!  

 

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abhi_col
Posts: 147
Registered: ‎11-18-2009
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Re: Extreme jitter just a single hop away

[ Edited ]

Try e-mailing verizon with the traceroute results you got. There is an E-mail link on this page. Contact Us

 

I have a question. So, the verizon provided router is not used in the house? (just curious)

 

I believe that 96.241.212.1 is the GWR (verizon router) because the post says, " Note that 96.241.212.1 is my gateway router, just 1 hop from my home router.' So, because of this are you having slow speeds or intermittant connectivity?

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abhi_col
Posts: 147
Registered: ‎11-18-2009
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Re: Extreme jitter just a single hop away

All right...I and my friend did a small experiment, all though it is not on fios network.

Everytime I did the test, I was not able to get any reply from first hop. My friend has a different isp and the same thing happened.

Results.

1]tracert to my gateway.

C:\Users\Kimi>tracert 65.24.160.1

Tracing route to cpe-65-24-160-1.columbus.res.rr.com [65.24.160.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

 1     7 ms     6 ms     7 ms  cpe-65-24-160-1.columbus.res.rr.com [65.24.160.1]

 

2]tracert to google.com

C:\Users\Kimi>tracert google.com

Tracing route to google.com [74.125.53.100]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2     8 ms     7 ms     7 ms  gig3-10.hlrdoh1-swt401.columbus.rr.com [24.95.86.173]
  3     8 ms     8 ms     7 ms  gig0-2.hlrdoh1-ubr1.columbus.rr.com [24.95.85.202]
  4     9 ms     7 ms     7 ms  tge11-0-0-1207.clmboh1-rtr2.columbus.rr.com [24.95.87.221]
  5     7 ms     8 ms     8 ms  pos13-1.clmboh1-rtr1.columbus.rr.com [24.95.86.165]
  6   102 ms    17 ms    17 ms  tge3-0-0.clevoh1-rtr0.mwrtn.rr.com [65.25.137.41]
  7    21 ms    21 ms    23 ms  ae-3-0.cr0.dca20.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.70]
  8    25 ms    25 ms    26 ms  ae-1-0.pr0.dca10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.165]
  9    23 ms    23 ms    53 ms  66.109.9.66
 10    25 ms    25 ms    25 ms  216.239.48.112
 11    37 ms    30 ms    33 ms  209.85.242.208
 12    91 ms    93 ms    93 ms  72.14.233.116
 13    94 ms    95 ms    95 ms  216.239.46.204
 14    91 ms    95 ms   101 ms  216.239.48.137
 15   110 ms   100 ms    99 ms  64.233.174.121
 16   107 ms    92 ms   104 ms  72.14.232.10
 17   100 ms   101 ms   101 ms  pw-in-f100.1e100.net [74.125.53.100]

Trace complete.

Same result for verizon.net traceroute.

Conclusion:- It just could be the way how gateway servers work. It happened with two different isps. Again I may be wrong. In  the results you posted, the reply time is very high, while my hop to my gateway just timed out.

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Skyneedle
Posts: 2
Registered: ‎12-03-2009
Device: Vonage router
Plan: 20/5
Location: Reston, VA
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Re: Extreme jitter just a single hop away

I sent the Email to Verizon with the form you suggested.  When I submitted the form it said I would be contacted in one day.  That was a week ago.  No contact.  

 

Correct, I am not using the Verizon router.  Native ethernet from the ONT and using a 3rd party IP router.  All the router is doing is DHCP and NAT.  

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Hubrisnxs
Posts: 5,105
Registered: ‎07-22-2009
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Re: Extreme jitter just a single hop away

Have you set up QOS,   With VOIP App's and the Verizon VOD, you really need to set up QOS properly.   the fact that you mentioned your VOD was affected as well as your VOIP and they coincided with each other leads me to believe that, that potentiall is your primary issue. 

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