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rustycruiser
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Registered: ‎12-30-2009
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Has Fios started traffic shaping?

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For the last few weeks, I have noticed a trend using Fios internet. I have a 25/15 plan. Day or night, I pull in 25/15 using speedtest.net. During the day, I can max out the connection transferring a file via FTP and get 2.5MB/s down or 1.5MB/s up or better. But mysteriously, in the evening, FTP is limited to 50-60KB/s or so. Just to make sure it wasn't a problem at the other end, I went to an Apple Store, tested their speed, and then was able to FTP at their max day or night. The final test was a trip to my brothers house who also has Fios and the 25/15 plan. I was able to FTP down at 2.5MB/s during the day. But at night, the extremely slow transfer speed was replicated, and I couldn't crack 100KB/s.

Has Verizon started doing some traffic shaping? Are they throttling FTP during peak hours?

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spacedebris
Posts: 1,692
Registered: ‎05-17-2009
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Re: Has Fios started traffic shaping?

No, Verizon doesnt shape or throttle connections. At least not yet. Other companies have said that they are going to start this in the near future, but Verizon came out and said that for now, they have no plans to do this. They did hint that it may become necessary in the future, but for now, its still wide open.

 

The likely problem is that the is a hop in either the verizon network or on the internet that gets switched at night.

 

Try running a tracert both in the morning when everything is looking good, and again at night when you have the problem and post them here so we can take a look to see if there is anything obvious. This wont tell us the throughput but it may tell us if you have a bad hop or something.

 

 

To do a tracert go to the command prompt and type

 

tracert www.xxxxx.com  where xxxxx is the ftp site your using. 




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thetestisover
Posts: 6
Registered: ‎01-08-2010
Device: Westell 9100EM
Plan: 25/25
Location: Denton, TX
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Re: Has Fios started traffic shaping?

If verizon started to shape traffic I'd go elsewhere...

 

(just had to say that as a warning to them)

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StuffOfInterest
Posts: 27
Registered: ‎12-15-2009
Location: McLean, VA
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Re: Has Fios started traffic shaping?

If FiOS has had to start using traffic shaping, then I'll be happy if you go elsewhere as it probably means you are using so much traffic that it impacts everyone else in the same neighborhood.

 

I'd be happy if FiOS implements (or is implemnting) traffic prioritization.  Let the streaming (video and audio) traffic through first, then the web browser traffic, then the e-mail traffic, and finally any file transfer and P2P traffic.  Although I don't want them to limit the type of traffic being carried I don't mind them shaping the traffic to provide the best experience for the most people.

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thetestisover
Posts: 6
Registered: ‎01-08-2010
Device: Westell 9100EM
Plan: 25/25
Location: Denton, TX
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Re: Has Fios started traffic shaping?

Why should streaming content let through prior to ftp/p2p?

 

I'm paying for bandwidth and good speeds... I do this for file transfers. Why should your streaming youtube videos get to go before me using ftp or torrents.. even though these pertain to my work?

 

Let me use my bandwidth as I please.

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spacedebris
Posts: 1,692
Registered: ‎05-17-2009

Re: Has Fios started traffic shaping?

Well IF they were going to do anything, it would be to start metered billing. Verizon and other companies have said that they will not monitor connections to determine what you are doing with your connection. It would be too expensive to set up. Comcast and TimeWarner tried this but both public opinion and the expense of the monitoring caused them to step back for now.

 

But what they can do and do easily is to see what kind of bandwidth you use and then bill you for that. At this time, this is the real concern. If they start metered billing, those that are gamers, large P2P users, anyone that streams videos on the web, or has any other high bandwidth usage would be hurt. Just think about it. A number of years ago, one company (I dont remember who) tried metered bandwidth and limited the customers to 20Gb per month. To give you an idea, an average DVD movie is about 7 Gb. So someone that downloads 3 DVD quality movies would be over the monthly limit. This is not good from a consumer standpoint. Its great for the internet providers, but bad for everyone else. Metered billing would affect the consumer, affect internet businesses (just think of places like youtube and hulu would be hurt if people cannot come and view the videos). It would be a nightmare for many aspects of the economy. But at the same time, the ISP's are not going to be able to continue to provide "unlimited" bandwidth to everyone. We enjoy this now but it wont be long before some kind of metering is going to show up. All we can do is hope that it will be reasonable. Time will tell.




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Hubrisnxs
Posts: 5,105
Registered: ‎07-22-2009

Re: Has Fios started traffic shaping?

every ISP that offers tiered speed plans, traffic shapes.

 

 

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Hubrisnxs
Posts: 5,105
Registered: ‎07-22-2009
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Re: Has Fios started traffic shaping?


Hubrisnxs wrote:

Are they throttling FTP during peak hours?

 

 


 

 and to answer that, no they do not traffic in that fashion.   they simply traffic shape the actual subscribed bandwidth. 

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