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06-23-2009 11:45 AM
WOW! I can't believe a tech actually said something that stupid and/or insulting.
Quote "He even called his tech support line and they told him that it's "normal" for "standard def"
Anthony, you got hosed. If this were true all SD channels would sound like this. Or is CC substandard definition? For someone employed by Verizon to tell you this is an insult to your and anyone's intelligence. I would expect an apology from at least The Sanchez on this. Also, it's so untrue as HD only affects the video definition as the audio is still AC3 or Dolby Digital.
I would retrain these techs as they are the best advertising DirecTV can get.
06-25-2009 06:46 PM
I just got back from a neighbor's house where she has Verizon HD. All three channels (WGN, Comedy Central & Discovery) had AM audio on the SD channels and CD audio on the HD channels.
Why can't Verizon run the HD networks in SD?
I know they do it with WTXF 29 Philadelphia as the SD is letterboxed or center cut from WTXF-HD depending on the AFD signal being used (I wish they did that with WCAU and/or WBAL, ugh!) so why not simply run their HD net in SD?
Then again they could replace the SD boxes with ones that are HD compatible (like CECB boxes for DTV) run all the HD channels on their proper channel numbers and drop the SD compatible channels to free up space. However, that's a rant for another thread.
If we can get clean audio with the HDs we should have it with the SDs. Or can't you do local advert insert with the HDs? Hmmm. :-P
07-07-2009 05:55 AM
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07-11-2009 01:27 PM
The answer to the audio problem may not be what is heard, but what is seen. Seen via a spectral analysis. I've had someone from http://www.dslreports.com/forum/vzfiostv post links for two WGN sound clips, one each from Verizon and Comcast. I opened both mp3s with my Adobe Audition and viewed them with spectral view to see ..
The Comcast clip had a naturally varying top end extending between 15,000 and 17,000 hertz depending on the original audio.
The Verizon clip had everything above 7,000 hertz chopped. It looked like a trimmed hedge.
This visually shows Verizon is putting out substandard audio without ambiguity. I also opened an mp3pro file (mp3 with SBR, HE-AAC is similar to mp3pro) and found the same top end chop as this mp3pro did not decode properly with my AA (this software can decode and encode SBR clips, just not this one). I'm not saying this is why, just that it is a similar situation.
Verizon needs to both look into the situation and look at the audio (through spectral analysis) to see the problem. Ears may deceive but eyes rarely lie. ;-)
07-29-2009 12:40 PM
Once again I have AM sound on WGN, Comedy Central and Discovery in VH08. Here's the photo that shows the issue.
The top image is Comcast while the bottom is Verizon SD, both are Comedy Central. I hope this can be monitored at Verizon by someone who cares about these kinds of things.
07-30-2009 12:40 PM
I've started a page to visualize what bad sound looks like. The top graph is what Comcast viewers where hearing while viewing the same channel at the same time. The program had treble, but not for Verizon viewers.
07-30-2009 06:34 PM
qwerty1234, I noticed that too, the picture is softer than normal. This has to be a problem in the way Verizon distributes the channel that they don't have in the HD version. It's odd how it's the usual suspects (WGN, Comedy Central, FX & Discovery) all SD without treble but HD sounds normal. And the local ads on the SD sound normal until they return to programming.
Yea, FiOS is supposed to have enough bandwidth for lots of channels. This may be the bandwidth they choose to use to run the channels from the satellite dishes to the local VHOs.
I still say if all boxes were HD compatible they wouldn't have to waste bandwidth on redundant SD compatible channels. But that's another rant.
Thanks again qwerty1234, you're another person fighting the good fight for good sound and your efforts are appreciated by many.
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