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Re: What can we do to actually fix Verizon's Netflix throttling?
optivity
Contributor - Level 3
‎03-19-2014 08:46 AM

Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on ISPs’ refusal to upgrade networks
Cogent and Netflix aren't the only ones haggling with Verizon and AT&T.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/level-3-blames-internet-slowdowns-on-isps-refu...

U.S. Pay-TV Subscriptions Fall for First Time as Streaming Gains

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-19/u-s-pay-tv-subscriptions-fall-for-first-time-as-streaming-g...

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Re: What can we do to actually fix Verizon's Netflix throttling?
chomper87
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‎03-19-2014 10:21 AM

Certainly there's all sorts of quirks including Ethernet collisions. There's variations in switching methodologies, eg who out there is using the new OpenFlow. Also, not all connections are 100% Ethernet either. ATM still has a strong hold. On the Verizon FiOS side, this is one of the differences in FiOS BPON vs FiOS GPON. BPON is ATM based. This applies not just to services like DSL and FiOS BPON, but for interconnects between service providers.

As for Level3's recent statement, no doubt there's a lot of validity. Especially with the statement of:

monopoly rent-seeking conduct Level 3 has observed

Looking at more towards Level3 / Comcast thing - I don't see how in any normal universe Level3 would pay Comcast. - Except in ours of course because that's what ended up happening. How many service providers can Netflix get? Many. How many can the normal consumer get? 1? 2 perhaps. Comcast undoubtably used it's monopolistic powers. If Comcast wants to charge Netflix for a direct connection, that's fine I suppose - Netflix can decline.

The real solution - I don't think is to necessarily regulate Interconnect agreements. It's to ban laws that create monopolies in the first place.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/01/who-wants-competition-big-cable-tries-outlawing-municipal...

http://www.muninetworks.org/content/big-bucks-why-north-carolina-outlawed-community-networks

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/technology/2013/03/why-are-there-no-big-cities-municipal-broadband-...

There are cities that would potentially like to get a Small private ISP and / or a Muni network which can't.

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bbinnard
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‎03-20-2014 10:36 AM

Here's the petition - if you are reading this please follow the link and sign the petition.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/869/336/946/verizon-intentionally-crippling-netflix-streaming-over-it...

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SteveVi
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‎03-22-2014 12:52 PM

You can also join the Hey Verizon, your FiOS customers want their Netflix back! discussion on  reddit.

The only way Verizon is going to fix this is if it gets enough negative press.

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SoNi67
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‎03-23-2014 11:02 AM

Signed. It won't matter, only money talks. I will switch service as soon as I can.

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SoNi67
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‎03-24-2014 03:40 AM
@chomper87 wrote:

On the Verizon FiOS side, this is one of the differences in FiOS BPON vs FiOS GPON. BPON is ATM based. This applies not just to services like DSL and FiOS BPON, but for interconnects between service providers.

It makes no difference in this issue. I have the I-211M-K ONT. Thats's GPON. Still sucks with Netflix. Un-sucks if I use a different DNS provider that hides the endpoint. I just test it again last night.

You keep making escuses for Verizion but fail to address this relavant information about DNS change.

Are you working for Verizon?

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SoNi67
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‎03-24-2014 03:57 AM

PS: For everybody information BPON is not ATM based, is broadband PON. APON is ATM (hence the name).

Chopme87 just creates whitenoise on the threads, to cover Verizon deficiencies in this very specific matter.

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glugglug
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‎03-24-2014 06:42 AM

It's not just Netflix being slowed down by this sillyness.  The other day I was browsing Verizon's own online streaming to try to find a show my wife wanted to watch.  It was slow as hell.  I checked, and Verizon's own site was using an Akamai CDN which was being routed through cogent like Netflix at the time.

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Re: What can we do to actually fix Verizon's Netflix throttling?
bbinnard
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‎03-30-2014 10:22 PM

According to this posting 

http://forums.verizon.com/t5/FiOS-Internet/VUDU-HDX-streaming-problems/td-p/684569

it isn't only Netflix that is being throttled.  Makes me wonder if Verizon is going to start limiting everything except their own transmissions.

I also wonder why Verizon has been completely silent on this matter, why no one who has any real leverage with Verizon has at least commented on the situation, and what it will take for some real action on this matter to occur.

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Re: What can we do to actually fix Verizon's Netflix throttling?
optivity
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‎03-31-2014 11:47 AM

"Makes me wonder if Verizon is going to start limiting everything except their own transmissions."

Give that man a cigar! You have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

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