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Re: Anyway to get a 1080p signal from fios?

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I don't understand most of this discussion, but I appreciate the detail and patience you've shown both in your responses and attitude towards the obvious sarcasm hoisted your way.  A question along these lines to you:  if we were to purchase a new TV, what should we be looking for? Is 720p good enough?  We just watch shows and movies, no gaming.  THANKS! 
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The problem is that most people can't understand the lengthy detailed highly technical answer.

 

I restrained myself from being as sarcastic as I felt like being. If I wanted to be sarcastic I would have said that the person is trying hard to get attention and will always get less attention when it is attempted to be obtained using a lot of technical details that people don't understand.

 

The point I was trying to make is that the amount of data is the same for both 1080i and 1080p and that 1080i is required only for legacy CRT devices. If I am correct, then that is all that needs be said. Instead of saying that, which could be understood by most people and would be very useful, we get a huge article that is not useful for most people.

 

The thing that impresses me is when complex mechanisms are made simple enough to understand yet still being accurate and relevant.

 

Some people try harder to explain what they think the other person does not understand than they try to understand the other person. Then they complain that the other person is not listening.

 

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I meant to direct my praise, question and thanks to KenAF, whom I thought was gracious in light of your (SamRay)'s comments.  *Sorry* for the confusion.
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I think I understood.

 

From my point of view, KenAF was being inconsiderate by not listening to what I was asking. I do of course think I was being reasonable.

 

Note that I never got an answer to my 2 simple questions that are very relevant to this topic. I asked nicely but did not get an answer so I made the best effort I could to get answers. KenAF refused to listen to me.

 

If we continue, we will simply repeat what has already been said. Unless you want to say make a sincere effort to solve the problem, I will refrain from answering.

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JNTDPT wrote: 
Is 720p good enough?  We just watch shows and movies, no gaming.  THANKS! 

To cut through all of the egos arguing above, in my opinion, you should get a 1080p flat panel.

 

FIOS boxes can output either 720p or 1080i, which means that no matter what setting you choose, some stations are going to be converted within the STB, since SOME HD providers provide 720p and others provide 1080i.  Although 1080i is an interlaced signal, it is still 1080 distinct lines of information, and if you have a 720p display, they will get downconverted and you will lose some of that resolution.

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@CapnTrips wrote:

JNTDPT wrote: 
Is 720p good enough?  We just watch shows and movies, no gaming.  THANKS! 

To cut through all of the egos arguing above, in my opinion, you should get a 1080p flat panel.

 

FIOS boxes can output either 720p or 1080i, which means that no matter what setting you choose, some stations are going to be converted within the STB, since SOME HD providers provide 720p and others provide 1080i.  Although 1080i is an interlaced signal, it is still 1080 distinct lines of information, and if you have a 720p display, they will get downconverted and you will lose some of that resolution.


I agree I would go for a 1080p TV I have 2 of them, and one 1080i.The 1080i even cuts of part of the show. Plus if you ever want to get a blu-ray player you would want nothing less them a 1080p TV. 

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@CapnTrips wrote:

JNTDPT wrote: 
Is 720p good enough?  We just watch shows and movies, no gaming.  THANKS! 

To cut through all of the egos arguing above, in my opinion, you should get a 1080p flat panel.

 

FIOS boxes can output either 720p or 1080i, which means that no matter what setting you choose, some stations are going to be converted within the STB, since SOME HD providers provide 720p and others provide 1080i.  Although 1080i is an interlaced signal, it is still 1080 distinct lines of information, and if you have a 720p display, they will get downconverted and you will lose some of that resolution.


Thanks!  I will definitely keep this in mind when we shop!

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{please keep it relevant}
Message Edited by KaLin on 05-06-2009 12:11 PM
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@Deluxe wrote:

KenAf, I also appreciate your time and answers, although they leave me a little confused. When you say blurring, do you mean artifacts/pixilation?

 


No, I do not.  By blurring, I mean the loss of detail.  With the poor deinterlace in some TVs, high-definition looks more like SD during movement and/or camera pans.

 

Poor deinterlace will not cause blocking and pixelization; those issues are compression related (and can also be signal related).  Poor deinterlace will produce jagged edges, tearing, and horizontal lines.

 

 


@Deluxe wrote:

In terms of resolution, the TH-58PZ800U performed as expected, resolving every line of 1080-resolution signals and properly deinterlacing video-based sources, although it failed the test for film-based deinterlacing. We counted between 800 and 900 lines of motion resolution on this set, which is about what we expected on a plasma TV, although not quite a high as either the LG or the Pioneer. As usual, we couldn't tell any difference between the TVs' resolutions in our side-by-side comparisons. 


I had a 58PZ800 in my home until recently.  It does an excellent job with video deinterlace.  It does not do high-definition film deinterlace, so you do lose some resolution and detail when watching episodic series and movies. In general though, that Panasonic produces an excellent picture.

 

If you have not adjusted your TV settings, you might try those below posted by daarid for HDMI on the 58PZ800:

 

 


Recommended Picture Settings - Panasonic Plasma TH-58PZ800U - AVERAGED:

THX Settings - AVERAGED (includes CNET and AVS forum members)
(I've not included, in my average, any ONE setting that was wildly different from the others posted-- so it is not a pure average)

Picture: 97
Brightness: 57
Color: 55
Tint: -2
Sharpness: 50*
Color Temp: Normal**

Note that CNET recommends:
*"0" (zero) for sharpness in THX
** CNET recommends Warm for color temperature in THX

CUSTOM Settings - AVERAGED (AVS forum member's settings only - CNET did not publish any recommendations). Again, I've not included any ONE setting that was widely different from the many others posted in my average - so it is not a pure average

Picture: 85
Brightness: 50
Color: 36
Tint: -3
Sharpness: 50
Color Temp: Normal

In both cases (THX or Custom) --- have BOTH of Panasonic's noise reduction options turned OFF as well as the CATS turned off. Also have the black level set to light and the size set to 2. Have the color mgnt turned off. X.V.color can be either off or auto.


My Personal Settings:


CUSTOM Settings:

Picture: 82
Brightness: 60
Color: 31
Tint: -2
Sharpness: 49 (seems to have no effect in custom)
Color Temp: Normal

I have BOTH of Panasonic's noise reduction options turned OFF as well as the CATS turned off. Also have the black level set to light and the size set to 2 (although it is not a big deal if you use size 1). Have the color mgnt turned off. X.V.color can be either off or auto.
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@JNTDPT wrote:
I don't understand most of this discussion, but I appreciate the detail and patience you've shown both in your responses and attitude towards the obvious sarcasm hoisted your way.  A question along these lines to you:  if we were to purchase a new TV, what should we be looking for? Is 720p good enough?  We just watch shows and movies, no gaming.  THANKS! 

The "need" for 1080p depends a lot on your display size and viewing resolution.  If you are watching a 42" screen from 12+', you are not going to perceive a difference between 720p and 1080p resolution.  At that distance, the most obvious differences you'll see will be in color accuracy, contrast, and black levels (are the blacks really black? or grey?).

 

If you are looking for a display you can buy locally, and/or you need a 50" TV with built-in speakers and a bundled stand for under $1800, then I would recommend the Panasonic TC-P50G10 plasma.  It sells for $1799 at BestBuy and it can be had from Amazon.com for ~$1500 shipped.   I would not buy anything smaller unless you sit closer than 6' from your TV.  If viewing from more than 8', wait for the TC-P54G10, which should be available in another month for a small premium.  A 58" version is due this summer.

 

I recommend based on personal experience, not reviews, but if you want to see a review, here's one at Cnet.

 

Recommended settings for Panasonic TC-P46G10 (use these settings when they are posted) 

Recommended settings for Panasonic TC-P50G10 (use these settings when they are posted)

 

If you want the best possible picture available...my favorite 1080p displays are the new Pioneer 50" KRP-500M and 60" KRP-600M plasmas.  These offer unmatched performance for the price; they provide excellent color accuracy, contrast, and black levels, along with the best video processing available in a consumer display.  These are displays only; they do not have built-in speakers or stands; wall mounts and stands are sold separately and you'd need your own sound system.  Ideal viewing distance would be 6-8' for the 50" and 8-12' for the 60".

 

You won't find the KRP-500M and KRP-600M displays at retail; they have to be ordered over the phone from vendors like Invision Displays, ValueEletronics, BestBuyPlasma, Coza, and Satellite & Sound, which would then ship the display directly from a Pioneer distributor.  The 50" 500M costs $1800-$2000 shipped and the stand or mount adds $50-$70.  The 60" 600M costs $2900-$3100 shipped and the appropriate wall mount adds $90-$100.  Remember that these Pioneer models don't include built-in speakers, so you would need your own sound system.

 

Recommended settings for Pioneer KRP-500M

Recommended settings for Panasonic KRP-600M

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