Re: IMG 1.9 release notes and discussion thread
alden
Contributor - Level 1

Hi Justin,

I understand why you defending Verizon for it"s unbelievably slow and painful roll out of 1.9 -  I think it will take at least 6 month for Verizon to finish installation of 1.9 for every customer and it's probably best case scenario. The worst one - some customers may see 1.9 on their boxes no earlier then January or February of 2012. You wanna bet on this? 

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Re: IMG 1.9 release notes and discussion thread
Justin46
Legend

@alden wrote:

Hi Justin,

I understand why you defending Verizon for it"s unbelievably slow and painful roll out of 1.9 - . I think it will take at least 6 month for Verizon to finish installation of 1.9 for every customer and it's probably best case scenario. The worst one - some customers may see 1.9 on their boxes no earlier then January or February of 2012. You wanna bet on this? 

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I bet the rollout resumes before the end of June. I have absolutely no info to base that on, other than Joe saying that it would resume "soon" if I am remembering correctly. And I bet it doesn't take more than 3 to 4 months for the rollout to be completed once started. I am in Texas, and Joe said in his Meet the Expert thread that we would be "near the end," so I guess it will be 4 or 5 months before I see it, but I am hoping it is less.

So it is an "unbelievably slow and painful roll out of 1.9" huh? I guess that is one perspective, but not mine. I get it when I get it, and I feel that it working the way it is supposed to work is far more important than when I get it. In the meantime, I am getting the service I am and have been paying for.

Do you seriously think I am an employee? Really? If so, why? Because I say good things about Verizon and FiOS?

I have been a customer of Verizon (GTE) for over 31 years now and have had FiOS TV, internet, and phone for over 5 1/2 years (got it in Sept. 2005). The product has been GREAT, especially when I compare it to the Charter Cable TV and internet service I previously had - as far as I know, there has never been a FiOS failure at our house, TV, internet, or phone. Period. Really nothing to complain about, other than yeah, they have announced some new function I would like to have and I haven't gotten yet.

And generally the service I have received from Verizon employees has been pretty good too - for example, a month or so ago I decided to replace my original 6416 with the new 7232, ordered it, got it within a week, hooked it up, works just fine. Called, nice helpful lady, and had the multi-room featured added, had it within 30 minutes. And a few of weeks ago I decided to replace my two SD boxes with HD boxes to take advantage of their bundle discount on HD devices and to prepare for getting my wife an HDTV. The first couple of boxes they shipped me were 7100-1 boxes, one worked, the other didn't. I called, nice lady in Florida, Verizon shipped a replacement box, it was another 7100-1, it wouldn't work either. Called, nice guy in Utah, he said he would have a tech come out, he scheduled it for 8-10 the next day. Sure enough, about 9:30 I got a call, tech would be here in 15-20 minutes, he showed up, really nice and competent guy, replaced my ONT (apparently general Verizon policy for old original ONTs like I had), put in two of the new 7100-2 boxes, they work just fine. I used their UPS return option to return several of the STBs at no cost, nice service, they came off my account just fine. So again, nothing to complain about, in fact what I would call excellent service.

Now obviously I read here and other places all of the complaints about billing, calling customer service, this doesn't work, that doesn't work, etc. I simply do not see any of that myself - I pay my bill every month through MyVerizon, been doing it for maybe 3 years, works every month, not a single issue, most of the reps have been cooperative and nice when I have called, my service has worked pretty much flawlessly for 5 1/2 years, the local techs have all, without exception, been very competent and nice.

So why would I not say nice things about FiOS and Verizon? My "defense" is more about 1.9 working properly when I get it than anything else; equipment or software that meets a delivery schedule but doesn't work when installed is just bad, bad, bad. In fact, I would rather stay with what I have now than get some new software with bugs or significant issues.

I believe in being honest, tell it like it is, and I firmly believe I have and am doing that.

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Justin
Verizon FiOS TV, Internet, and phone
QIP7232, IMG 1.8, Build 02.54
Keller, TX 76248

Re: IMG 1.9 release notes and discussion thread
jumpin68ny
Master - Level 2

Justin, I too am not a Verizon Employee and don't get paid either to say these things but I have to second what you say.  Anyone I have ever encountered from the initial installation to the folks on the support line to a recent visit to a Verizon store to swap my SD boxes for HD boxes have been nothing but pleasant. 

I have been a Fios TV customer for 2 years now and an Internet customer for about 5 years.  I have had no issues with the TV service, DVR functionality, inability to use VOD or Channel guide.  I have had maybe 2-3 outages but maybe a few hours.

Overall I would rate my satisfaction with Verizon has being on the high side. 

1.9 would certainly be nice but its not like I'm waiting for something broken to be fixed.  1.8 works just fine....

Jim

Re: IMG 1.9 release notes and discussion thread
alden
Contributor - Level 1

 bet the rollout resumes before the end of June. I have absolutely no info to base that on, other than Joe saying that it would resume "soon" if I am remembering correctly. And I bet it doesn't take more than 3 to 4 months for the rollout to be completed once started. I am in Texas, and Joe said in his Meet the Expert thread that we would be "near the end," so I guess it will be 4 or 5 months before I see it, but I am hoping it is less.

So it is an "unbelievably slow and painful roll out of 1.9" huh? I guess that is one perspective, but not mine. I get it when I get it, and I feel that it working the way it is supposed to work is far more important than when I get it. In the meantime, I am getting the service I am and have been paying for.

Do you seriously think I am an employee? Really? If so, why? Because I say good things about Verizon and FiOS?

I have been a customer of Verizon (GTE) for over 31 years now and have had FiOS TV, internet, and phone for over 5 1/2 years (got it in Sept. 2005). The product has been GREAT, especially when I compare it to the Charter Cable TV and internet service I previously had - as far as I know, there has never been a FiOS failure at our house, TV, internet, or phone. Period. Really nothing to complain about, other than yeah, they have announced some new function I would like to have and I haven't gotten yet.

And generally the service I have received from Verizon employees has been pretty good too - for example, a month or so ago I decided to replace my original 6416 with the new 7232, ordered it, got it within a week, hooked it up, works just fine. Called, nice helpful lady, and had the multi-room featured added, had it within 30 minutes. And a few of weeks ago I decided to replace my two SD boxes with HD boxes to take advantage of their bundle discount on HD devices and to prepare for getting my wife an HDTV. The first couple of boxes they shipped me were 7100-1 boxes, one worked, the other didn't. I called, nice lady in Florida, Verizon shipped a replacement box, it was another 7100-1, it wouldn't work either. Called, nice guy in Utah, he said he would have a tech come out, he scheduled it for 8-10 the next day. Sure enough, about 9:30 I got a call, tech would be here in 15-20 minutes, he showed up, really nice and competent guy, replaced my ONT (apparently general Verizon policy for old original ONTs like I had), put in two of the new 7100-2 boxes, they work just fine. I used their UPS return option to return several of the STBs at no cost, nice service, they came off my account just fine. So again, nothing to complain about, in fact what I would call excellent service.

Now obviously I read here and other places all of the complaints about billing, calling customer service, this doesn't work, that doesn't work, etc. I simply do not see any of that myself - I pay my bill every month through MyVerizon, been doing it for maybe 3 years, works every month, not a single issue, most of the reps have been cooperative and nice when I have called, my service has worked pretty much flawlessly for 5 1/2 years, the local techs have all, without exception, been very competent and nice.

So why would I not say nice things about FiOS and Verizon? My "defense" is more about 1.9 working properly when I get it than anything else; equipment or software that meets a delivery schedule but doesn't work when installed is just bad, bad, bad. In fact, I would rather stay with what I have now than get some new software with bugs or significant issues.

I believe in being honest, tell it like it is, and I firmly believe I have and am doing that.

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Justin, I am not arguing at all with quality of Verizon service: Internet is the best around, phone and TV also are pretty good.

This is not the point. The rollout of 1.9 in my view simply shows inability of Verizon management to be a cutting edge technological company. If any other software company would tell their clients that development of new software will take 4 years in a making and then, after testing and retesting and beta version testing, God knows what else, it will take almost a year to rollout new software - well, this company will be out of business very, very soon. It looks like Verizon profits do not depend much of the implementation of new technologies, software, equipment, so they are not afraid to be years behind of DirectTV and Dish. They know that being a monopolist of FIOS internet which is unquestionably best Internet around, customers will not quit from Verizon TV to satellite or cable as triple service saves money.

I am former customer of DirectTV and if I am not mistaken last software upgrade was done OVERNIGHT to all customers without any major problem. Verizon??  It's different story. The best course of action for Verizon was to just hire outside software company do develop new IMG  as they proved their inability to make good reliable software within reasonable timeframe . 

Honestly, Verizon shall be ashamed of themselves and Verizon top management should fire those involved in disastorous development and implementation of 1.9

Alex

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Re: IMG 1.9 release notes and discussion thread
Justin46
Legend

Justin, I am not arguing at all with quality of Verizon service: Internet is the best around, phone and TV also are pretty good.

This is not the point. The rollout of 1.9 in my view simply shows inability of Verizon management to be a cutting edge technological company. If any other software company would tell their clients that development of new software will take 4 years in a making and then, after testing and retesting and beta version testing, God knows what else, it will take almost a year to rollout new software - well, this company will be out of business very, very soon. It looks like Verizon profits do not depend much of the implementation of new technologies, software, equipment, so they are not afraid to be years behind of DirectTV and Dish. They know that being a monopolist of FIOS internet which is unquestionably best Internet around, customers will not quit from Verizon TV to satellite or cable as triple service saves money.

I am former customer of DirectTV and if I am not mistaken last software upgrade was done OVERNIGHT to all customers without any major problem. Verizon??  It's different story. The best course of action for Verizon was to just hire outside software company do develop new IMG  as they proved their inability to make good reliable software within reasonable timeframe . 

Honestly, Verizon shall be ashamed of themselves and Verizon top management should fire those involved in disastorous development and implementation of 1.9

Alex


Alex,

Well, lets see....how long have DirecTV and Dish been in the TV business? (I don't know, but I do know it is a lot longer than Verizon). Did they have issues with their software, etc, in their first 6 years? (I don't know, but I bet they did, I have certainly seen lots of comlaints). Where did your "4 years in the making" come from? I don't remember Verizon ever making any statements about 1.9 four years ago.

You want Verizon to hire an outside company to develop the new IMG? Well, just a little history here....the first version of the IMG that came from Verizon in 2005 actually was from an outside company. I was told it was Microsoft but I don't know. It worked reasonably well, with pretty limited function, but apparently Verizon wanted more functionality than they could get from outside, so they decided to develop it themselves, plus it gave them complete control over the software. Good idea or bad? I don't know, but you can bet it took quite a while to assemble a group, develop the technology skills and facilities, set up all of the development and testing protocols, and on and on. Certainly they have had plenty of bugs in the initial Verizon-developed levels. But at least now they can put what they want into the product. Go back to an outside company? I highly doubt it, after all of the effort they have put into it. But who knows.....

And now on to 1.9. How long has it really been in development? What was the original rollout schedule (not the rumors, the real schedule)? How bad are the current problems, and what are they? When will the rollout resume, and what will be the effect on the total footprint? I surely don't know, and you surely don't know, the answers to any of the above. I do know for a fact that there were quite a few problems identified and fixed during the beta, and that there were some issues identified that were not resolved. Should they have delayed further before initial delivery? Maybe. Should they have just kept rolling it out once it started? Maybe. I for one think they probably made the right decision now to stop the rollout, address whatever the issues are, and then move forward. While there are some (I think it is a few) who think this is a great disaster, I think the majority of FiOS TV customers have no idea what is coming, when it is coming, don't know that it has been delayed, and probably really don't care much if they care at all.

Do like DirecTV and roll out overnight? Sure Verizon could have done that. But apparently the corporate policy at Verizon is to do in area by area.

Having been involved very much in initial specs, beta testing, early customer trials, initial product rollout, education, documentation, etc, for software and hardware for 20+ years before retiring, I have seen the good and the bad. In my view this is really only mildly bad, no where near as serious as some, including I  guess you, are making it. Just my opinion of course, and in the next few weeks or months we will all find out Smiley Very Happy

I want to get a working 1.9 as soon as possible, but far more important to me is for Verizon to add more HD channels. I watch TV to watch TV, not to watch a Guide, or view YouTube or Facebook trash or play with other widgets, or record a 1000 hours of programs that I will never watch, and on and on. Give me the best TV picture, with the greatest choice of HD channels, and I will be happy.

Anyway, whatever we say here isn't going to make any difference anyhow, Verizon is going to do whatever they want to do.

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Justin
Verizon FiOS TV, Internet, and phone
QIP7232, IMG 1.8, Build 02.54
Keller, TX 76248

Re: IMG 1.9 release notes and discussion thread
susanlynn9
Newbie

I heard rumors a wile ago that the sata port would be activated eventually. Nothing official though. So periodically I poke around on the site and yesterday morning I find this page....

http://www22.verizon.com/residentialhelp/fiostv/other+hardware/esata/129841.htm

Woo freakin' hoo!!!!  Smiley Very Happy

I drop what I'm doing and run out and get a 2TB eSata drive and cable. Maaaaannnnn am I excited!

Come home, rip the entertainment center out from the wall, hook 'er up and wait to get the "prompt to press OK on your FiOS TV Remote Control to activate the eSATA device. " ... woooo hoooo....

Waiting.... waiting..... booooo hoooooo..... nothing.

Call support and fight with some automated chick that has no clue what I'm talking about. 15 minutes later finally get a support lady with a pulse. She has no clue what I'm talking about either. None. 20 minutes later after several times being  put on hold I'm told it's not available yet. I say sure it is, it's plain as day on your website that it's available. Complete with very simple instructions. No sir, that can't be, the update isn't even done yet. Uh-huh.

So now, after poking around these forums, I find out that only a couple drives have even been tested, and none over 1 TB. So much for .....

Do I need a special eSATA device or is any eSATA device compatible with FiOS TV?
You do not need a special eSATA device for FiOS TV.

Does the eSATA device I use require a minimum or maximum storage limit for FiOS TV?
Any size eSATA device works with your Verizon FiOS TV DVR provided the DVR is compatible with eSATA.

Helluva way to run a business.Good chance I'm out a buck and a half.

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Re: IMG 1.9 release notes and discussion thread
GaryDoug
Specialist - Level 1

@Justin wrote:
Where did your "4 years in the making" come from? I don't remember Verizon ever making any statements about 1.9 four years ago.

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I don't think Verizon ever made statements about anything. We believe it when we see it. But he isn't too far off if we are talking  "rumors" about the expandable DVR with eSATA. Like this forum discussion from about 3 years ago.

http://forums.verizon.com/t5/FiOS-TV-Technical-Assistance/External-Hard-Drive-for-DVR/td-p/14/highli...

Re: IMG 1.9 release notes and discussion thread
Keyboards
Master - Level 3

@susanlynn9 wrote:

Do I need a special eSATA device or is any eSATA device compatible with FiOS TV?
You do not need a special eSATA device for FiOS TV.

Does the eSATA device I use require a minimum or maximum storage limit for FiOS TV?
Any size eSATA device works with your Verizon FiOS TV DVR provided the DVR is compatible with eSATA.

Helluva way to run a business.Good chance I'm out a buck and a half.


You need the newest version of the STB software (IMG 1.9).  If you are not a beta tester (since this is your first post I doubt you are), in Buffalo, or Harrisburg then you don't have the new version and until you do the eSATA port won't work.  The roll out of the new version is currently on hold with no schedule released for when it will restart and who will get it when.

As of now the only "approved" devices are the WD MyBook AVR 500M and 1T drives, but there are some reports of other drives working.

Re: IMG 1.9 release notes and discussion thread
susanlynn9
Newbie

Keyboards, you completely missed my point. According the Verizon regular site, one example page I posted above ( there are others also), this is all available already to anyone. They state this is available now, give directions on how to do it, and go out of their way to specifically state that ANY esata drive will work. I wasted half a day yesterday because of this, support knows nothing about it, and I may have just spent $150 for something that won't even work. Support told me I must have been wrong about what the site says (didn't want to look though), and couldn't care less about the money I may have spent for nothing due to Verizon's mistake.

That's terrible.

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Re: IMG 1.9 release notes and discussion thread
Keyboards
Master - Level 3

@susanlynn9 wrote:

Keyboards, you completely missed my point


Actually I didn't.  The real failure is the fact that they don't include the 1.9 requirement for eSATA to be enabled and what I was told were the drive requirements (which may have changed since then).

I am surprised that the page says that any eSATA drive will work.  I was told by the devlepoment team that a 100 MB THROUGHPUT (not just data transfer rate) and a drive that doesn't do a power saving spin down were required. 

As for capacity, while "any size" drive will work but not necessarily be used.  Originally the maximum utilization was to be 1 TB but that was raised to 2 TB.

BTW - I have brought this issue directly to one of the forum ADMINS and while it doesn't solve your issue, hopefully it will get corrected so others won't be mislead.  I actually do appreciate you bringing this up and while I am not a Verizon employee I apologize for not being more specific in my first response.