10-15-2012 01:09 PM
Have been working with the guys over in the Verizon Direct forum at DSLReports, who have been very diligent in trying to resolve this issue. But, since it's been a few weeks, thought I'd seek input from you guys:
I've been on the lower speed DSL for years without any significant issue. right now I'm on the 0.5-1M DSL, and have been getting acceptable numbers until maybe a month or so ago. about then things seemed slow and verizon speedtest was reporting effective speeds ranging from 50-200kbps down, and upstream has been consistently pegged around 380k (which is fine).
Speed test mentioned excessive packet loss.
Physical configuration is PC-> Actiontec router/modem-> NID
Have had a line tech out who was able to pull 6M down the line and also checked the pole connection, etc. Played around with some things that boosted the SNR a bit. But otherwise made no change. I've hade at least 3 support tickets opened/closed with the Verizon/local office. they're convinced my -is fine, and maybe it is. They've switched my DSLAM and router. Can't seem to resolve the 8-20% packet loss.
From the latest post:
"You were switched from Redback or SMS router to ERX or Juniper router, then was switch to 2 direfferent ERX routers based on the tickets we created."
Modem stats -
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1184 448
SNR Downstream : 37 dB
SNR Upstream : 23 dB
Attenuation Downstream : 24 dB
Attenuation Upstream : 15 dB
Power Downstream 4.7 dBm
Power Upstream 11.9 dBm
Recent VZ speedtest:
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
SendBufferSize set to 
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 278.43Kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 117.56kb/s
------ Client System Details ------
OS data: Name = Windows 7, Architecture = x86, Version = 6.1
Java data: Vendor = Sun Microsystems Inc., Version = 1.6.0_31
------ Web100 Detailed Analysis ------
Client Receive Window detected at 17408 bytes.
Cable modem/DSL/T1 link found.
Link set to Full Duplex mode
Information: throughput is limited by other network traffic.
Good network cable(s) found
Normal duplex operation found.
Web100 reports the Round trip time = 102.21 msec; the Packet size = 1452 Bytes; and
There were 37 packets retransmitted, 64 duplicate acks received, and 73 SACK blocks received
The connection stalled 7 times due to packet loss
The connection was idle 3.03 seconds (21.64%) of the time
This connection is network limited 97.65% of the time.
Excessive packet loss is impacting your performance, check the auto-negotiate function on your local PC and network switch
Web100 reports TCP negotiated the optional Performance Settings to:
RFC 2018 Selective Acknowledgment: ON
RFC 896 Nagle Algorithm: ON
RFC 3168 Explicit Congestion Notification: OFF
RFC 1323 Time Stamping: OFF
RFC 1323 Window Scaling: ON
Information: Network Middlebox is modifying MSS variable
Server IP addresses are preserved End-to-End
Information: Network Address Translation (NAT) box is modifying the Client's IP address
Server says [xxx.xx.xxx.xx] but Client says [192.168.1.6]
Latest reverse trace:
Test Loss Latency Min/Avg/Max Pass/Fail
10s of 40 byte packets, 2 per second 10% 74.0ms/75.3ms/79.4ms warn
low bandwidth stream
10s of 512 byte packets at 56 kbit 12% 86.7ms/89.4ms/163ms fail
medium bandwidth stream
10s of 512 byte packets at 128 kbit 15% 86.2ms/230ms/504ms fail
higher bandwidth stream
10s of 1400 byte packets at 384 kbit 15% 111ms/252ms/817ms fail
your first hop ping
stream of 40byte pings to xxx.xx.xxx.xx 0% loss 50.0ms You are 24ms to your first hop pass
Hop Host LOSS Rcv Sent Best Avg Worst
0 ae-2.bb-c.slr.lxa.us.oneandone.net 0% 60 60 0.31 0.35 0.40
1 ae-10.bb-c.ms.mkc.us.oneandone.net 0% 60 60 0.77 0.81 0.86
2 18.104.22.168 0% 60 60 13.93 18.03 152.12
3 0.xe-9-2-0.BR3.CHI13.ALTER.NET 0% 60 60 14.11 17.84 73.25
4 0.ae3.CHI01-BB-RTR2.verizon-gni.NET 0% 60 60 16.46 27.28 147.15
5 P0-4-0-0.BLTMMD-LCR-22.verizon-gni.net 0% 60 60 46.90 47.06 49.37
6 P4-0.BLTMMD-BLTMMDCH-ERXG09.verizon-gni.net 0% 60 60 40.27 40.77 44.57
7 pool-xxx-xx-xxx-xx.bltmmd.east.verizon.net 9% 55 60 85.89 91.67 213.35
Note an old linetest when I wasnt' on an ERX router showed similar packet loss behavior.
10-18-2012 10:06 PM
Sorry to hear about the issues with your DSL service. So we can get more information from you, I have copied your post to our private support board. Please refer all correspondences to there from here on out. You can easily get to the private support one of two ways. In the email you signed up for the forums with, you will receive a link to click on. Make sure you are already signed into the forums before clicking on this link. Another way of getting there is by clicking on your username anywhere you see it in the forums. This brings you to your account profile. Scroll down to the section labeled "My Support Cases" . In there you will see the link to your case.
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10-19-2012 08:24 AM
Besides switching your DSLAM and Edge router to a higher capacity Juniper ERX, they need to also be checking the switches and other related equipment between the DSLAM and the edge router for congestion or faults.
10-21-2012 06:03 PM
was able to get tech support on the phone, spoke with someone at the MO. They tried switching some hardware, and when that didn't work, he went back and noticed some errors on one of the frontend switches. Said he'd work on it over the next day, and sure enough when I came home today a VZ speedtest gave me 823k down and 380k up. Linetest is showing a bit of jitter, but packet loss is almost nil. Assuming this stays as is, everything looks good now. Thanks for the help.
10-22-2012 04:06 AM
You're welcome. Keep an eye on it should it continue to happen. Sometimes the switches go bad and they can do a workaround on them but the problems will surface again under higher loads. But glad to hear that was the case.