Thanks for the input guys. Vz tech just left. Turned out to be marginal MOCA rate on the coax line going to my 2500 set top. The set tops were not communicating with the router. He ran a new line to the set top, reset router and set tops and it seems to be fine now. One small weakness in one line caused the network to not work properly. Go figure. He did not even test for that initially, all the signals were perfect. He spoke with some one in PA that knows this stuff really well and he suggested testing the MOCA rate. It was marginal, after different line it was at the high end. Hope its ok for a while. Just can't wait for the 1.6.1 upgrade so I can have my nice clear picture back again. OUT.